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		<title>By: jacobian</title>
		<link>http://azureflame.dasaku.net/2007/04/06/weekly-round-up-april-6th/comment-page-1/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>jacobian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While a slice of life may &quot;elevate&quot; commonplace events, its primary function is to capture them as they are. Romance at that age often is frustrating, and it often is silly. SR takes a slightly different route in the fact that it doesn&#039;t try to glorify or idealize love - it&#039;s more of an ironic look back on high school life from a mature standpoint (especially from the standpoint of those side comments, which often point out the absurdity of the characters&#039; ideas).

While Tenma is still very clueless, she has made some important changes. She&#039;s mellowed out considerably from the start of the series, for one. There&#039;s a rather significant scene around Ch.196 or so where she advises Eri to go after Harima, so that she doesn&#039;t have to live with regrets. If you look back to the start of the series, that was exactly the sort of advice that Eri and the others had to push Tenma to follow to progress with Karasuma.

Harima is actively trying to resist change, but it&#039;s become somewhat of a downhill battle for him over the more recent chapters. His reactions to Eri in Ch.197, 210, 216, and the start of Ch.217 suggest that his tunnel vision is starting to crack. Of course, the manner of Harima&#039;s reappearance will be important in deciding which way the story progresses. There&#039;s tricky balance here between developing his character and running the risk of making him act out of character.

Eri may have dropped most of her tsun side, but she never really had all that much tsun to begin with - she simply reciprocates Harima&#039;s attitude towards her, throughout the series. She&#039;s not after just any man (her encounter with Harima in the temple establishes that her interest in him is linked to his particular personality), and to have her play along with the tsundere archetype even after she decides that she likes him is very limiting on her character.

When you look at it, Eri has shown more strength of character and maturity in the past few chapters than any other character in the series. She completely sets aside Yakumo&#039;s outrageously immature behavior regarding the slap (which was quite a surprising role reversal), she shows a lot of compassion for her friends, and her clever test to gauge Harima&#039;s feelings in Ch.214 was on the level of something that Akira might cook up. In most series, the hero has to learn to understand the weaknesses of the tsundere and like her in spite of them. In this series, Eri overcomes her own weaknesses and becomes a more likable person through her own efforts. The glowing commentary given in Ch.185 and 216 is just the byproduct of that.

As for Yakumo, up until recently, she&#039;s mainly been used as just a foil to explore Eri&#039;s weaknesses and character development. The recent role reversal has made her much more human, and has allowed her to become more of a character in her own right. By changing her conflict with Eri from a one-sided one to a two-sided one, Yakumo&#039;s character is more open for further character development.

Incidentally, Sara didn&#039;t convince Yakumo not to give up on Harima. Sara originally thought that Yakumo was giving up on him out of guilt, when the expression on Yakumo&#039;s face convinced her that this was something that Yakumo genuinely wanted to do. I&#039;d be extremely surprised if Yakumo suddenly takes back what she said in Ch.116 and 117 and starts going after Harima.

As for reading SR - we can&#039;t gauge if this is a reset or not until the next time Harima makes his appearance. If you still find yourself frustrated, try reading on a biweekly or monthly basis. I&#039;m guessing that SR will be a much enjoyable read once it&#039;s finished and people can marathon the entire series from start to finish without waiting on the next development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While a slice of life may &#8220;elevate&#8221; commonplace events, its primary function is to capture them as they are. Romance at that age often is frustrating, and it often is silly. SR takes a slightly different route in the fact that it doesn&#8217;t try to glorify or idealize love &#8211; it&#8217;s more of an ironic look back on high school life from a mature standpoint (especially from the standpoint of those side comments, which often point out the absurdity of the characters&#8217; ideas).</p>
<p>While Tenma is still very clueless, she has made some important changes. She&#8217;s mellowed out considerably from the start of the series, for one. There&#8217;s a rather significant scene around Ch.196 or so where she advises Eri to go after Harima, so that she doesn&#8217;t have to live with regrets. If you look back to the start of the series, that was exactly the sort of advice that Eri and the others had to push Tenma to follow to progress with Karasuma.</p>
<p>Harima is actively trying to resist change, but it&#8217;s become somewhat of a downhill battle for him over the more recent chapters. His reactions to Eri in Ch.197, 210, 216, and the start of Ch.217 suggest that his tunnel vision is starting to crack. Of course, the manner of Harima&#8217;s reappearance will be important in deciding which way the story progresses. There&#8217;s tricky balance here between developing his character and running the risk of making him act out of character.</p>
<p>Eri may have dropped most of her tsun side, but she never really had all that much tsun to begin with &#8211; she simply reciprocates Harima&#8217;s attitude towards her, throughout the series. She&#8217;s not after just any man (her encounter with Harima in the temple establishes that her interest in him is linked to his particular personality), and to have her play along with the tsundere archetype even after she decides that she likes him is very limiting on her character.</p>
<p>When you look at it, Eri has shown more strength of character and maturity in the past few chapters than any other character in the series. She completely sets aside Yakumo&#8217;s outrageously immature behavior regarding the slap (which was quite a surprising role reversal), she shows a lot of compassion for her friends, and her clever test to gauge Harima&#8217;s feelings in Ch.214 was on the level of something that Akira might cook up. In most series, the hero has to learn to understand the weaknesses of the tsundere and like her in spite of them. In this series, Eri overcomes her own weaknesses and becomes a more likable person through her own efforts. The glowing commentary given in Ch.185 and 216 is just the byproduct of that.</p>
<p>As for Yakumo, up until recently, she&#8217;s mainly been used as just a foil to explore Eri&#8217;s weaknesses and character development. The recent role reversal has made her much more human, and has allowed her to become more of a character in her own right. By changing her conflict with Eri from a one-sided one to a two-sided one, Yakumo&#8217;s character is more open for further character development.</p>
<p>Incidentally, Sara didn&#8217;t convince Yakumo not to give up on Harima. Sara originally thought that Yakumo was giving up on him out of guilt, when the expression on Yakumo&#8217;s face convinced her that this was something that Yakumo genuinely wanted to do. I&#8217;d be extremely surprised if Yakumo suddenly takes back what she said in Ch.116 and 117 and starts going after Harima.</p>
<p>As for reading SR &#8211; we can&#8217;t gauge if this is a reset or not until the next time Harima makes his appearance. If you still find yourself frustrated, try reading on a biweekly or monthly basis. I&#8217;m guessing that SR will be a much enjoyable read once it&#8217;s finished and people can marathon the entire series from start to finish without waiting on the next development.</p>
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		<title>By: Karura</title>
		<link>http://azureflame.dasaku.net/2007/04/06/weekly-round-up-april-6th/comment-page-1/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>Karura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s fine to continue it here- I just wasn&#039;t sure whether you had read my other posts or not.
For me, a good slice of life series can indeed get by without a plot, because it adds a sense of charm and wonder to even the most trivial of everyday events. School Rumble to me isn&#039;t like that, in that a) it hints at an end goal but then frustratingly retracts that and b) it retreads the same ground and the same jokes, many of which are too shallow and &#039;wacky&#039; for my tastes.
As for character development, well, Tenma seems too stupid and out of it to ever change, and as for Harima, he seems to be actively trying to resist it. As for his latest absence from school, well, we had a similar thing ages ago when he realised Tenma wasn&#039;t interested in him (until he re-convinced himself that she was). Admittedly Eri has changed, but I find that the differences have taken away a lot of what made me like her so much and made her into a simpering &quot;I need a MAN&quot; character (I hated that chapter where she pretends to be clumsy because she thinks that&#039;s what Harima likes about Tenma). Yakumo was the best developed of them all, but just as she was going to move on from the hopeless love polygon/chain, Sarah convinced her not to give up.
As I said above, ultimately it&#039;s just a matter of opinions and we may well have to agree to differ on this one. Of course, arguably I should stop reading if I&#039;m not enjoying it and probably one week soon I will, but I liked the series enough at the beginning to want to try to see it through even now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s fine to continue it here- I just wasn&#8217;t sure whether you had read my other posts or not.<br />
For me, a good slice of life series can indeed get by without a plot, because it adds a sense of charm and wonder to even the most trivial of everyday events. School Rumble to me isn&#8217;t like that, in that a) it hints at an end goal but then frustratingly retracts that and b) it retreads the same ground and the same jokes, many of which are too shallow and &#8216;wacky&#8217; for my tastes.<br />
As for character development, well, Tenma seems too stupid and out of it to ever change, and as for Harima, he seems to be actively trying to resist it. As for his latest absence from school, well, we had a similar thing ages ago when he realised Tenma wasn&#8217;t interested in him (until he re-convinced himself that she was). Admittedly Eri has changed, but I find that the differences have taken away a lot of what made me like her so much and made her into a simpering &#8220;I need a MAN&#8221; character (I hated that chapter where she pretends to be clumsy because she thinks that&#8217;s what Harima likes about Tenma). Yakumo was the best developed of them all, but just as she was going to move on from the hopeless love polygon/chain, Sarah convinced her not to give up.<br />
As I said above, ultimately it&#8217;s just a matter of opinions and we may well have to agree to differ on this one. Of course, arguably I should stop reading if I&#8217;m not enjoying it and probably one week soon I will, but I liked the series enough at the beginning to want to try to see it through even now.</p>
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		<title>By: jacobian</title>
		<link>http://azureflame.dasaku.net/2007/04/06/weekly-round-up-april-6th/comment-page-1/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>jacobian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read through your earlier posts - I just went with this one because it was the most recent. Did you want to continue this discussion there?

The distinction that I&#039;m making is between plot development and character development. In a slice of life, for example, while there need not be any &quot;end goal&quot;, the characters&#039; personalities and ideas can still be affected by their experiences (that&#039;s not to suggest that SR necessarily is a slice of life, of course). Eri in volume 16 is quite a changed person from Eri in volume 1.

Harima is a tricky case. If he is clearly shown to have feelings for Eri, then the plot has a definite direction and the story becomes predictable. While he retains his interest in Tenma, his views towards Eri have undergone some drastic changes as of late (to the point where it may be a source of inner conflict for him). It&#039;s difficult to write off Ch.117 as a reset until we see the manner in which Harima comes out of his absence from school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read through your earlier posts &#8211; I just went with this one because it was the most recent. Did you want to continue this discussion there?</p>
<p>The distinction that I&#8217;m making is between plot development and character development. In a slice of life, for example, while there need not be any &#8220;end goal&#8221;, the characters&#8217; personalities and ideas can still be affected by their experiences (that&#8217;s not to suggest that SR necessarily is a slice of life, of course). Eri in volume 16 is quite a changed person from Eri in volume 1.</p>
<p>Harima is a tricky case. If he is clearly shown to have feelings for Eri, then the plot has a definite direction and the story becomes predictable. While he retains his interest in Tenma, his views towards Eri have undergone some drastic changes as of late (to the point where it may be a source of inner conflict for him). It&#8217;s difficult to write off Ch.117 as a reset until we see the manner in which Harima comes out of his absence from school.</p>
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		<title>By: Karura</title>
		<link>http://azureflame.dasaku.net/2007/04/06/weekly-round-up-april-6th/comment-page-1/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Karura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t a contradiction to say there&#039;s no development and then say what matters is the characters grow and mature? Are they growing and maturing all that much? Eri and Yakumo may have fallen in love with Harima, but he is still on his chapter 1 obession with Tenma,  she is still pining after the completely personality deficient Karasuma and many of the supporting characters are merely flat, one-joke types.
At the end of the day, obviously enjoyment of a series is personal preference, but I find the fact that the series is stuck in the same rut and is milking the same &#039;jokes&#039; after 220 chapters to be entirely dull. Even when Jin could have gone somewhere with Eri x Harima, he went for the disappointing partial reset in 217. Anyway, &lt;a href=&quot;http://azureflame.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/school-rumble-manga/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; is a better place to read about and discuss my feelings on SR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t a contradiction to say there&#8217;s no development and then say what matters is the characters grow and mature? Are they growing and maturing all that much? Eri and Yakumo may have fallen in love with Harima, but he is still on his chapter 1 obession with Tenma,  she is still pining after the completely personality deficient Karasuma and many of the supporting characters are merely flat, one-joke types.<br />
At the end of the day, obviously enjoyment of a series is personal preference, but I find the fact that the series is stuck in the same rut and is milking the same &#8216;jokes&#8217; after 220 chapters to be entirely dull. Even when Jin could have gone somewhere with Eri x Harima, he went for the disappointing partial reset in 217. Anyway, <a href="http://azureflame.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/school-rumble-manga/" rel="nofollow">this post</a> is a better place to read about and discuss my feelings on SR.</p>
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		<title>By: jacobian</title>
		<link>http://azureflame.dasaku.net/2007/04/06/weekly-round-up-april-6th/comment-page-1/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>jacobian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the idea of &quot;development&quot; is based on the assumption that there is some sort of end goal. In a romantic comedy, the author would first need to give some sort of signal as to who the designated couple is in order to establish that direction. Once you determine the direction, you can decide whether the author is just &quot;treading water&quot; or if he/she is actually going somewhere.

In SR, we don&#039;t have set direction, nor do we know if there is one (although there are no shortage of guesses from the readers). The only thing that we really know is that the opening line &quot;Love - what a mysterious word&quot;, sets the story up to be a commentary on love. It doesn&#039;t matter who ends up with whom; what matters is how the characters grow and mature as they have their first romantic experiences. Every relationship seems to try to capture the experience from a slightly different angle.

Personally, I feel that SR is at its best when it captures the silliness of adolescence - especially looking back at it in retrospect. There seems to be a lot of pressure from the reader base for SR to develop into a full fledged romance story (especially with the focus on Eri and Harima&#039;s storyline), but I don&#039;t see any real need for the series to stick too closely to the rules of the genre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the idea of &#8220;development&#8221; is based on the assumption that there is some sort of end goal. In a romantic comedy, the author would first need to give some sort of signal as to who the designated couple is in order to establish that direction. Once you determine the direction, you can decide whether the author is just &#8220;treading water&#8221; or if he/she is actually going somewhere.</p>
<p>In SR, we don&#8217;t have set direction, nor do we know if there is one (although there are no shortage of guesses from the readers). The only thing that we really know is that the opening line &#8220;Love &#8211; what a mysterious word&#8221;, sets the story up to be a commentary on love. It doesn&#8217;t matter who ends up with whom; what matters is how the characters grow and mature as they have their first romantic experiences. Every relationship seems to try to capture the experience from a slightly different angle.</p>
<p>Personally, I feel that SR is at its best when it captures the silliness of adolescence &#8211; especially looking back at it in retrospect. There seems to be a lot of pressure from the reader base for SR to develop into a full fledged romance story (especially with the focus on Eri and Harima&#8217;s storyline), but I don&#8217;t see any real need for the series to stick too closely to the rules of the genre.</p>
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		<title>By: Karura</title>
		<link>http://azureflame.dasaku.net/2007/04/06/weekly-round-up-april-6th/comment-page-1/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Karura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I find that you can only dither about with no plot for so long (unless of course you&#039;re talking about a really good slice of life series like Aria)...SR, on the other hand, has become a tedious cycle of non development which has outstayed its welcome. I will discuss this point further in a future editorial about the merits of the &#039;static model&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I find that you can only dither about with no plot for so long (unless of course you&#8217;re talking about a really good slice of life series like Aria)&#8230;SR, on the other hand, has become a tedious cycle of non development which has outstayed its welcome. I will discuss this point further in a future editorial about the merits of the &#8217;static model&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: jacobian</title>
		<link>http://azureflame.dasaku.net/2007/04/06/weekly-round-up-april-6th/comment-page-1/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>jacobian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If SR had an obvious direction to it, there wouldn&#039;t be much fun in reading it. Plot twists usually happen when you least expect them.

When Season 1 first came out, most people were too busy enjoying the interactions between the characters to care about deciphering which way the story was going. The more you sit back and let the story take its course, the more enjoyable the read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If SR had an obvious direction to it, there wouldn&#8217;t be much fun in reading it. Plot twists usually happen when you least expect them.</p>
<p>When Season 1 first came out, most people were too busy enjoying the interactions between the characters to care about deciphering which way the story was going. The more you sit back and let the story take its course, the more enjoyable the read.</p>
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		<title>By: Karura</title>
		<link>http://azureflame.dasaku.net/2007/04/06/weekly-round-up-april-6th/comment-page-1/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Karura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 09:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, it was Fye...with all the crossovers and similar character designs you can&#039;t blame me for getting confused once in a while (at least that&#039;s my excuse I&#039;m sticking to it).

Neriya: objectively I should have felt the same way about Claymore but there was just something about the setting and atmosphere that made me want more. Maybe it was just a fear of the fanboys coming after me if I didn&#039;t give it a fair chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, it was Fye&#8230;with all the crossovers and similar character designs you can&#8217;t blame me for getting confused once in a while (at least that&#8217;s my excuse I&#8217;m sticking to it).</p>
<p>Neriya: objectively I should have felt the same way about Claymore but there was just something about the setting and atmosphere that made me want more. Maybe it was just a fear of the fanboys coming after me if I didn&#8217;t give it a fair chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonicbug</title>
		<link>http://azureflame.dasaku.net/2007/04/06/weekly-round-up-april-6th/comment-page-1/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonicbug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 05:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;After Syaoran tries to stop Sakura from going to another world by herself, we cut to a mysterious long-haired woman trapped in a tower as she is given the choice to save either herself or her ‘other self’.&lt;/I&gt;

Wait.... so Fye is a girl now?  *Hurray for flashbacks and gore!&quot;  I especially like the panel where little Fye&#039;s fingernails are FALLING OFF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>After Syaoran tries to stop Sakura from going to another world by herself, we cut to a mysterious long-haired woman trapped in a tower as she is given the choice to save either herself or her ‘other self’.</i></p>
<p>Wait&#8230;. so Fye is a girl now?  *Hurray for flashbacks and gore!&#8221;  I especially like the panel where little Fye&#8217;s fingernails are FALLING OFF.</p>
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		<title>By: Neriya</title>
		<link>http://azureflame.dasaku.net/2007/04/06/weekly-round-up-april-6th/comment-page-1/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Neriya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me Claymore 1 failed at the &quot;hook&quot;. There was nothing in the episode that really drew me to watch the second. I will still be watching the second/next few, but only because of some of the stuff I&#039;ve read about it, rather than the content of episode 1, as the case should ideally be.

I&#039;d also have preferred it if Clare hadn&#039;t decided to take Raki along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me Claymore 1 failed at the &#8220;hook&#8221;. There was nothing in the episode that really drew me to watch the second. I will still be watching the second/next few, but only because of some of the stuff I&#8217;ve read about it, rather than the content of episode 1, as the case should ideally be.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also have preferred it if Clare hadn&#8217;t decided to take Raki along.</p>
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